[Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...

[Larry Skutchan]

Actually, you can do quite a bit if not all of this with Icon and even a bit more conveniently with Braille+.
One thing you need to know are the Speakup review commands which happen to be on the numeric keypad. If using the device by itself, you can switch to numeric by using Pound+Program 2. Once there, use 7, 8, and 9 to read the previous line, current line, and next line respectively. The row above that does words, and the one above that moves by letters.
Now, if you huse an external keyboard, you can leave the unit in num mode and switch between the keyboards, but I am honestly not sure how to do this with the unit inside the docking station.




-----Original Message-----
From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of John Esak
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:50 AM
To: 'Beth Koenig'
Cc: icont
Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...

Hi Beth (and Jamal),
Thanks for replying... I do certainly use external keyboards with the Icon.
Actually now that I have the docking station this is so easy. But still, you
are misunderstanding my question.... maybe.   Maybe not.

I am adept at using the console to implement the things I do. I store files
run small programs, design some things for other systems all at just a
script level. Until a compiler and more importatnly the libraries become
available... in an SDK would be great...) but anyway until then, I just
script what I need in the shell.  However, I've been doing this by ssh'ing
into the unit.  When I use the docking station, I am severely limited
because I don't know the "navigation" Jamal talked about, so I still login
from other systems.  But now, I wish to use the unit directly.  I know that
doing this with just the Icon itself is difficult to impossible.  I've done
very limited things, but it is just too cumbersome.  So, with the docking
station keyboard it would at least be possible to work conveniently except
for the fact that I don't know how to get around with the speech as
installed.  I mean that if I execute a command I hear the results, but I
don't know how to go over them... analagous to what one would do with the
JAWS cursor.  Without a display it of course doesn't make sense, but the
results must be there somewhere.  For example, let's take the simplest idea.
When ssh'd in if I do a simple listing of the directory I'm in with "ls -l",
I will hear the listing of the permissions link count owner, group,
date-time and name of the files in that directory.  Obviously, this is one
heck of a lot of "stuff" to hear and absorb. On the screen when I'm ssh'd
into the console, I can just JAWS cursor around and hear whatever I want to
hear again.  How do you do this with the native speech engine.  Is this the
navigation Jamal was talking about?  I hope so.  Is there a cheat sheet
somewhere... even a full discussion of the speech engine itself... whatever.
Anything to get me started.  I must admit, I haven't even looked any farther
than this list yet.  I was hoping someone here could just tell me what they
do or did to start off, and I can take it from there.

Thanks...

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth Koenig [mailto:bethko at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:58 AM
> To: john at valar.com; Icon technical discussions.
> Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
>
> This is interesting. I have always just used the brl plus to do stuff. I
> think since you have an icon you are going to want a keyboard when working
> in the console. I use the built in brl keyboard on my unit.
> To use the console you need to learn speakup but it's really easy to get
> around and read thing with basic navigation.
> What kinds of things are you wanting to do with the unit?
> Beth Koenig
> bethko at gmail.com
> Director of Deaf Blind Services
> Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center
> 2960 Main Street A100
> Irvine, CA 92614
> http://www.deafadvocacy.org/dbs
> Health, safety, and productivity are the cornerstones of independence. At
> the Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center we provide the training and
> services necessary for the deaf and disabled to achieve equality and
> independence in all areas of life.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Esak <john at valar.com> wrote:
>
>
>       Okay, I have to fess up. I've been using the Icon for the past year
> with so
>       much success and loving every second of it... but I've been doing it
> through
>       the back door.  I simply leave it connected to my network either at
> home or
>       at work... (and I've even been thinking of buying a second one...
> just to
>       make that easier.. but then I'd have all that sync problem to worry
> about...
>       maybe rsync... anyway not the issue at hand.)  I keep it on the
> network and
>       then just ssh into the console from any of my other machines using a
>       terminal emulator... usually FacetWin or Anzio.  At that point JAWS
> works
>       just fine and I can get along fine.  But, now I have need of taking
> the unit
>       into environments where there won't be a PC or workstation anywhere
> to ssh
>       in from, and what is the point of requiring another machine
> anyway...  I
>       need to learn a little more about the best ways to work with the
> native
>       speech technology in the unit.  Can some of you point me to the best
> place
>       to start learning about Speak Up or whatever is best to use.
>
>       Thanks.
>
>       John
>
>
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