[Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...

Marc Mulcahy marc at levelstar.com
Mon Oct 20 07:28:13 MDT 2008 

The docking station doesn't have any way to emulate the numeric keypad, and
maybe it should.  Something for the docking station firmware todo list...


 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws 
> [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of Larry Skutchan
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:23 AM
> To: john at valar.com; Icon technical discussions.
> Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
> 
> Actually, you can do quite a bit if not all of this with Icon 
> and even a bit more conveniently with Braille+.
> One thing you need to know are the Speakup review commands 
> which happen to be on the numeric keypad. If using the device 
> by itself, you can switch to numeric by using Pound+Program 
> 2. Once there, use 7, 8, and 9 to read the previous line, 
> current line, and next line respectively. The row above that 
> does words, and the one above that moves by letters.
> Now, if you huse an external keyboard, you can leave the unit 
> in num mode and switch between the keyboards, but I am 
> honestly not sure how to do this with the unit inside the 
> docking station.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws 
> [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of John Esak
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:50 AM
> To: 'Beth Koenig'
> Cc: icont
> Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
> 
> Hi Beth (and Jamal),
> Thanks for replying... I do certainly use external keyboards 
> with the Icon.
> Actually now that I have the docking station this is so easy. 
> But still, you
> are misunderstanding my question.... maybe.   Maybe not.
> 
> I am adept at using the console to implement the things I do. 
> I store files run small programs, design some things for 
> other systems all at just a script level. Until a compiler 
> and more importatnly the libraries become available... in an 
> SDK would be great...) but anyway until then, I just script 
> what I need in the shell.  However, I've been doing this by 
> ssh'ing into the unit.  When I use the docking station, I am 
> severely limited because I don't know the "navigation" Jamal 
> talked about, so I still login from other systems.  But now, 
> I wish to use the unit directly.  I know that doing this with 
> just the Icon itself is difficult to impossible.  I've done 
> very limited things, but it is just too cumbersome.  So, with 
> the docking station keyboard it would at least be possible to 
> work conveniently except for the fact that I don't know how 
> to get around with the speech as installed.  I mean that if I 
> execute a command I hear the results, but I don't know how to 
> go over them... analagous to what one would do with the JAWS 
> cursor.  Without a display it of course doesn't make sense, 
> but the results must be there somewhere.  For example, let's 
> take the simplest idea.
> When ssh'd in if I do a simple listing of the directory I'm 
> in with "ls -l", I will hear the listing of the permissions 
> link count owner, group, date-time and name of the files in 
> that directory.  Obviously, this is one heck of a lot of 
> "stuff" to hear and absorb. On the screen when I'm ssh'd into 
> the console, I can just JAWS cursor around and hear whatever 
> I want to hear again.  How do you do this with the native 
> speech engine.  Is this the navigation Jamal was talking 
> about?  I hope so.  Is there a cheat sheet somewhere... even 
> a full discussion of the speech engine itself... whatever.
> Anything to get me started.  I must admit, I haven't even 
> looked any farther than this list yet.  I was hoping someone 
> here could just tell me what they do or did to start off, and 
> I can take it from there.
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> John
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Beth Koenig [mailto:bethko at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:58 AM
> > To: john at valar.com; Icon technical discussions.
> > Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
> >
> > This is interesting. I have always just used the brl plus 
> to do stuff. 
> > I think since you have an icon you are going to want a 
> keyboard when 
> > working in the console. I use the built in brl keyboard on my unit.
> > To use the console you need to learn speakup but it's 
> really easy to 
> > get around and read thing with basic navigation.
> > What kinds of things are you wanting to do with the unit?
> > Beth Koenig
> > bethko at gmail.com
> > Director of Deaf Blind Services
> > Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center
> > 2960 Main Street A100
> > Irvine, CA 92614
> > http://www.deafadvocacy.org/dbs
> > Health, safety, and productivity are the cornerstones of 
> independence. 
> > At the Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center we provide the 
> training and 
> > services necessary for the deaf and disabled to achieve 
> equality and 
> > independence in all areas of life.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Esak <john at valar.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >       Okay, I have to fess up. I've been using the Icon for 
> the past 
> > year with so
> >       much success and loving every second of it... but I've been 
> > doing it through
> >       the back door.  I simply leave it connected to my 
> network either 
> > at home or
> >       at work... (and I've even been thinking of buying a 
> second one...
> > just to
> >       make that easier.. but then I'd have all that sync problem to 
> > worry about...
> >       maybe rsync... anyway not the issue at hand.)  I keep 
> it on the 
> > network and
> >       then just ssh into the console from any of my other 
> machines using a
> >       terminal emulator... usually FacetWin or Anzio.  At 
> that point 
> > JAWS works
> >       just fine and I can get along fine.  But, now I have need of 
> > taking the unit
> >       into environments where there won't be a PC or workstation 
> > anywhere to ssh
> >       in from, and what is the point of requiring another machine 
> > anyway...  I
> >       need to learn a little more about the best ways to 
> work with the 
> > native
> >       speech technology in the unit.  Can some of you point 
> me to the 
> > best place
> >       to start learning about Speak Up or whatever is best to use.
> >
> >       Thanks.
> >
> >       John
> >
> >
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