[Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
John Esak
john at valar.com
Tue Oct 21 17:52:03 MDT 2008
Ah, that is a good feature of the Braille Plus. Are you saying that it is
easier or even possible to do some of the characters I need so much in the
console with a Braille Plus and the Braille keyboard than the Icon. For
example I use some control characters lots of times, and I use the pipe
hundreds of times a day.. Maybe some of these are possible on the handheld
Icon, I sure had some trouble finding a few of the things I needed. The
keyboard in the docking station changes this for the better, but I will have
to get adept at some method of using SpeakUp.
John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws
> [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of Beth Koenig
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:00 PM
> To: Icon technical discussions.
> Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
>
> Another reason I use the Braille Plus and not the Icon. For
> me a braille keyboard is essential and even more so when
> using the console. In fact I use the Braille keyboard so much
> that I hardly ever bother to plug in a qwerty keyboard.
> Beth Koenig
> bethko at gmail.com
> Director of Deaf Blind Services
> Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center
> 2960 Main Street A100
> Irvine, CA 92614
> http://www.deafadvocacy.org/dbs
> Health, safety, and productivity are the cornerstones of
> independence. At the Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center we
> provide the training and services necessary for the deaf and
> disabled to achieve equality and independence in all areas of life.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:28 AM, Marc Mulcahy
> <marc at levelstar.com> wrote:
>
>
> The docking station doesn't have any way to emulate the
> numeric keypad, and
> maybe it should. Something for the docking station
> firmware todo list...
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws
>
> > [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of
> Larry Skutchan
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:23 AM
> > To: john at valar.com; Icon technical discussions.
>
> > Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
> >
> > Actually, you can do quite a bit if not all of this with Icon
> > and even a bit more conveniently with Braille+.
> > One thing you need to know are the Speakup review commands
> > which happen to be on the numeric keypad. If using the device
> > by itself, you can switch to numeric by using Pound+Program
> > 2. Once there, use 7, 8, and 9 to read the previous line,
> > current line, and next line respectively. The row above that
> > does words, and the one above that moves by letters.
> > Now, if you huse an external keyboard, you can leave the unit
> > in num mode and switch between the keyboards, but I am
> > honestly not sure how to do this with the unit inside the
> > docking station.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws
> > [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of John Esak
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:50 AM
> > To: 'Beth Koenig'
> > Cc: icont
> > Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
> >
> > Hi Beth (and Jamal),
> > Thanks for replying... I do certainly use external keyboards
> > with the Icon.
> > Actually now that I have the docking station this is so easy.
> > But still, you
> > are misunderstanding my question.... maybe. Maybe not.
> >
> > I am adept at using the console to implement the things I do.
> > I store files run small programs, design some things for
> > other systems all at just a script level. Until a compiler
> > and more importatnly the libraries become available... in an
> > SDK would be great...) but anyway until then, I just script
> > what I need in the shell. However, I've been doing this by
> > ssh'ing into the unit. When I use the docking station, I am
> > severely limited because I don't know the "navigation" Jamal
> > talked about, so I still login from other systems. But now,
> > I wish to use the unit directly. I know that doing this with
> > just the Icon itself is difficult to impossible. I've done
> > very limited things, but it is just too cumbersome. So, with
> > the docking station keyboard it would at least be possible to
> > work conveniently except for the fact that I don't know how
> > to get around with the speech as installed. I mean that if I
> > execute a command I hear the results, but I don't know how to
> > go over them... analagous to what one would do with the JAWS
> > cursor. Without a display it of course doesn't make sense,
> > but the results must be there somewhere. For example, let's
> > take the simplest idea.
> > When ssh'd in if I do a simple listing of the directory I'm
> > in with "ls -l", I will hear the listing of the permissions
> > link count owner, group, date-time and name of the files in
> > that directory. Obviously, this is one heck of a lot of
> > "stuff" to hear and absorb. On the screen when I'm ssh'd into
> > the console, I can just JAWS cursor around and hear whatever
> > I want to hear again. How do you do this with the native
> > speech engine. Is this the navigation Jamal was talking
> > about? I hope so. Is there a cheat sheet somewhere... even
> > a full discussion of the speech engine itself... whatever.
> > Anything to get me started. I must admit, I haven't even
> > looked any farther than this list yet. I was hoping someone
> > here could just tell me what they do or did to start off, and
> > I can take it from there.
> >
> > Thanks...
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Beth Koenig [mailto:bethko at gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:58 AM
> > > To: john at valar.com; Icon technical discussions.
> > > Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
> > >
> > > This is interesting. I have always just used the brl plus
> > to do stuff.
> > > I think since you have an icon you are going to want a
> > keyboard when
> > > working in the console. I use the built in brl
> keyboard on my unit.
> > > To use the console you need to learn speakup but it's
> > really easy to
> > > get around and read thing with basic navigation.
> > > What kinds of things are you wanting to do with the unit?
> > > Beth Koenig
> > > bethko at gmail.com
> > > Director of Deaf Blind Services
> > > Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center
> > > 2960 Main Street A100
> > > Irvine, CA 92614
> > > http://www.deafadvocacy.org/dbs
> > > Health, safety, and productivity are the cornerstones of
> > independence.
> > > At the Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center we provide the
> > training and
> > > services necessary for the deaf and disabled to achieve
> > equality and
> > > independence in all areas of life.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Esak
> <john at valar.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, I have to fess up. I've been using the Icon for
> > the past
> > > year with so
> > > much success and loving every second of it...
> but I've been
> > > doing it through
> > > the back door. I simply leave it connected to my
> > network either
> > > at home or
> > > at work... (and I've even been thinking of buying a
> > second one...
> > > just to
> > > make that easier.. but then I'd have all that
> sync problem to
> > > worry about...
> > > maybe rsync... anyway not the issue at hand.) I keep
> > it on the
> > > network and
> > > then just ssh into the console from any of my other
> > machines using a
> > > terminal emulator... usually FacetWin or Anzio. At
> > that point
> > > JAWS works
> > > just fine and I can get along fine. But, now
> I have need of
> > > taking the unit
> > > into environments where there won't be a PC
> or workstation
> > > anywhere to ssh
> > > in from, and what is the point of requiring
> another machine
> > > anyway... I
> > > need to learn a little more about the best ways to
> > work with the
> > > native
> > > speech technology in the unit. Can some of you point
> > me to the
> > > best place
> > > to start learning about Speak Up or whatever
> is best to use.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
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