[Icon-tech] problems with rss reader

Pratik Patel pratikp1 at gmail.com
Tue Oct 21 18:13:40 MDT 2008 

Nop. Seems fine to me.  This is odd behavior though. 

-----Original Message-----
From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On
Behalf Of Kevin Jones
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:09 PM
To: john at valar.com; Icon technical discussions.
Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] problems with rss reader

Wonder if others have had this problem. often almost all the time when 
if I have to reboot the icon the rss feeds get totally messed up and 
when i open the rss reader and then press right arrow to open a folder 
it starts the browser instead i have to close the reader then delect the 
rss.db file then open rss then import from opml files every time i 
reboot, and restoring a backup doesn't seem to help
Has anyone else had this problem?


John Esak wrote:
> Ah, that is a good feature of the Braille Plus.  Are you saying that it is
> easier or even possible to do some of the characters I need so much in the
> console with a Braille Plus and the Braille keyboard than the Icon.  For
> example I use some control characters lots of times, and I use the pipe
> hundreds of times a day..  Maybe some of these are possible on the
handheld
> Icon, I sure had some trouble finding a few of the things I needed.  The
> keyboard in the docking station changes this for the better, but I will
have
> to get adept at some method of using SpeakUp.
> 
> John
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws 
>> [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of Beth Koenig
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:00 PM
>> To: Icon technical discussions.
>> Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
>>
>> Another reason I use the Braille Plus and not the Icon. For 
>> me a braille keyboard is essential and even more so when 
>> using the console. In fact I use the Braille keyboard so much 
>> that I hardly ever bother to plug in a qwerty keyboard.
>> Beth Koenig
>> bethko at gmail.com
>> Director of Deaf Blind Services
>> Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center
>> 2960 Main Street A100
>> Irvine, CA 92614
>> http://www.deafadvocacy.org/dbs
>> Health, safety, and productivity are the cornerstones of 
>> independence. At the Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center we 
>> provide the training and services necessary for the deaf and 
>> disabled to achieve equality and independence in all areas of life.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:28 AM, Marc Mulcahy 
>> <marc at levelstar.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 	The docking station doesn't have any way to emulate the 
>> numeric keypad, and
>> 	maybe it should.  Something for the docking station 
>> firmware todo list...
>> 	
>>
>>
>>
>> 	> -----Original Message-----
>> 	> From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws
>> 	
>> 	> [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of 
>> Larry Skutchan
>> 	> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:23 AM
>> 	> To: john at valar.com; Icon technical discussions.
>> 	
>> 	> Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
>> 	>
>> 	> Actually, you can do quite a bit if not all of this with Icon
>> 	> and even a bit more conveniently with Braille+.
>> 	> One thing you need to know are the Speakup review commands
>> 	> which happen to be on the numeric keypad. If using the device
>> 	> by itself, you can switch to numeric by using Pound+Program
>> 	> 2. Once there, use 7, 8, and 9 to read the previous line,
>> 	> current line, and next line respectively. The row above that
>> 	> does words, and the one above that moves by letters.
>> 	> Now, if you huse an external keyboard, you can leave the unit
>> 	> in num mode and switch between the keyboards, but I am
>> 	> honestly not sure how to do this with the unit inside the
>> 	> docking station.
>> 	>
>> 	>
>> 	>
>> 	>
>> 	> -----Original Message-----
>> 	> From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws
>> 	> [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of John Esak
>> 	> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:50 AM
>> 	> To: 'Beth Koenig'
>> 	> Cc: icont
>> 	> Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
>> 	>
>> 	> Hi Beth (and Jamal),
>> 	> Thanks for replying... I do certainly use external keyboards
>> 	> with the Icon.
>> 	> Actually now that I have the docking station this is so easy.
>> 	> But still, you
>> 	> are misunderstanding my question.... maybe.   Maybe not.
>> 	>
>> 	> I am adept at using the console to implement the things I do.
>> 	> I store files run small programs, design some things for
>> 	> other systems all at just a script level. Until a compiler
>> 	> and more importatnly the libraries become available... in an
>> 	> SDK would be great...) but anyway until then, I just script
>> 	> what I need in the shell.  However, I've been doing this by
>> 	> ssh'ing into the unit.  When I use the docking station, I am
>> 	> severely limited because I don't know the "navigation" Jamal
>> 	> talked about, so I still login from other systems.  But now,
>> 	> I wish to use the unit directly.  I know that doing this with
>> 	> just the Icon itself is difficult to impossible.  I've done
>> 	> very limited things, but it is just too cumbersome.  So, with
>> 	> the docking station keyboard it would at least be possible to
>> 	> work conveniently except for the fact that I don't know how
>> 	> to get around with the speech as installed.  I mean that if I
>> 	> execute a command I hear the results, but I don't know how to
>> 	> go over them... analagous to what one would do with the JAWS
>> 	> cursor.  Without a display it of course doesn't make sense,
>> 	> but the results must be there somewhere.  For example, let's
>> 	> take the simplest idea.
>> 	> When ssh'd in if I do a simple listing of the directory I'm
>> 	> in with "ls -l", I will hear the listing of the permissions
>> 	> link count owner, group, date-time and name of the files in
>> 	> that directory.  Obviously, this is one heck of a lot of
>> 	> "stuff" to hear and absorb. On the screen when I'm ssh'd into
>> 	> the console, I can just JAWS cursor around and hear whatever
>> 	> I want to hear again.  How do you do this with the native
>> 	> speech engine.  Is this the navigation Jamal was talking
>> 	> about?  I hope so.  Is there a cheat sheet somewhere... even
>> 	> a full discussion of the speech engine itself... whatever.
>> 	> Anything to get me started.  I must admit, I haven't even
>> 	> looked any farther than this list yet.  I was hoping someone
>> 	> here could just tell me what they do or did to start off, and
>> 	> I can take it from there.
>> 	>
>> 	> Thanks...
>> 	>
>> 	> John
>> 	>
>> 	>
>> 	> > -----Original Message-----
>> 	> > From: Beth Koenig [mailto:bethko at gmail.com]
>> 	> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:58 AM
>> 	> > To: john at valar.com; Icon technical discussions.
>> 	> > Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
>> 	> >
>> 	> > This is interesting. I have always just used the brl plus
>> 	> to do stuff.
>> 	> > I think since you have an icon you are going to want a
>> 	> keyboard when
>> 	> > working in the console. I use the built in brl 
>> keyboard on my unit.
>> 	> > To use the console you need to learn speakup but it's
>> 	> really easy to
>> 	> > get around and read thing with basic navigation.
>> 	> > What kinds of things are you wanting to do with the unit?
>> 	> > Beth Koenig
>> 	> > bethko at gmail.com
>> 	> > Director of Deaf Blind Services
>> 	> > Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center
>> 	> > 2960 Main Street A100
>> 	> > Irvine, CA 92614
>> 	> > http://www.deafadvocacy.org/dbs
>> 	> > Health, safety, and productivity are the cornerstones of
>> 	> independence.
>> 	> > At the Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center we provide the
>> 	> training and
>> 	> > services necessary for the deaf and disabled to achieve
>> 	> equality and
>> 	> > independence in all areas of life.
>> 	> >
>> 	> >
>> 	> >
>> 	> > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Esak 
>> <john at valar.com> wrote:
>> 	> >
>> 	> >
>> 	> >       Okay, I have to fess up. I've been using the Icon for
>> 	> the past
>> 	> > year with so
>> 	> >       much success and loving every second of it... 
>> but I've been
>> 	> > doing it through
>> 	> >       the back door.  I simply leave it connected to my
>> 	> network either
>> 	> > at home or
>> 	> >       at work... (and I've even been thinking of buying a
>> 	> second one...
>> 	> > just to
>> 	> >       make that easier.. but then I'd have all that 
>> sync problem to
>> 	> > worry about...
>> 	> >       maybe rsync... anyway not the issue at hand.)  I keep
>> 	> it on the
>> 	> > network and
>> 	> >       then just ssh into the console from any of my other
>> 	> machines using a
>> 	> >       terminal emulator... usually FacetWin or Anzio.  At
>> 	> that point
>> 	> > JAWS works
>> 	> >       just fine and I can get along fine.  But, now 
>> I have need of
>> 	> > taking the unit
>> 	> >       into environments where there won't be a PC 
>> or workstation
>> 	> > anywhere to ssh
>> 	> >       in from, and what is the point of requiring 
>> another machine
>> 	> > anyway...  I
>> 	> >       need to learn a little more about the best ways to
>> 	> work with the
>> 	> > native
>> 	> >       speech technology in the unit.  Can some of you point
>> 	> me to the
>> 	> > best place
>> 	> >       to start learning about Speak Up or whatever 
>> is best to use.
>> 	> >
>> 	> >       Thanks.
>> 	> >
>> 	> >       John
>> 	> >
>> 	> >
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