[Icon-tech] problems with rss reader

Guido Corona guidoc at us.ibm.com
Wed Oct 22 06:43:55 MDT 2008 

As the situation seems so anomalous,  I do recommend that Kevin 
creates/submits an online problem report using the reporting tool in the 
utilities menu the next time the issue is reproduced.  G.
 

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Jones" <kevin at kevinrj.net>
To: <john at valar.com>; "Icon technical discussions." <icon-tech at mulcahy.ws>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] problems with rss reader


Wonder if others have had this problem. often almost all the time when
if I have to reboot the icon the rss feeds get totally messed up and
when i open the rss reader and then press right arrow to open a folder
it starts the browser instead i have to close the reader then delect the
rss.db file then open rss then import from opml files every time i
reboot, and restoring a backup doesn't seem to help
Has anyone else had this problem?


John Esak wrote:
> Ah, that is a good feature of the Braille Plus.  Are you saying that it 
is
> easier or even possible to do some of the characters I need so much in 
the
> console with a Braille Plus and the Braille keyboard than the Icon.  For
> example I use some control characters lots of times, and I use the pipe
> hundreds of times a day..  Maybe some of these are possible on the 
> handheld
> Icon, I sure had some trouble finding a few of the things I needed.  The
> keyboard in the docking station changes this for the better, but I will 
> have
> to get adept at some method of using SpeakUp.
>
> John
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws
>> [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of Beth Koenig
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:00 PM
>> To: Icon technical discussions.
>> Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
>>
>> Another reason I use the Braille Plus and not the Icon. For
>> me a braille keyboard is essential and even more so when
>> using the console. In fact I use the Braille keyboard so much
>> that I hardly ever bother to plug in a qwerty keyboard.
>> Beth Koenig
>> bethko at gmail.com
>> Director of Deaf Blind Services
>> Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center
>> 2960 Main Street A100
>> Irvine, CA 92614
>> http://www.deafadvocacy.org/dbs
>> Health, safety, and productivity are the cornerstones of
>> independence. At the Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center we
>> provide the training and services necessary for the deaf and
>> disabled to achieve equality and independence in all areas of life.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:28 AM, Marc Mulcahy
>> <marc at levelstar.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The docking station doesn't have any way to emulate the
>> numeric keypad, and
>> maybe it should.  Something for the docking station
>> firmware todo list...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws
>>
>> > [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of
>> Larry Skutchan
>> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:23 AM
>> > To: john at valar.com; Icon technical discussions.
>>
>> > Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
>> >
>> > Actually, you can do quite a bit if not all of this with Icon
>> > and even a bit more conveniently with Braille+.
>> > One thing you need to know are the Speakup review commands
>> > which happen to be on the numeric keypad. If using the device
>> > by itself, you can switch to numeric by using Pound+Program
>> > 2. Once there, use 7, 8, and 9 to read the previous line,
>> > current line, and next line respectively. The row above that
>> > does words, and the one above that moves by letters.
>> > Now, if you huse an external keyboard, you can leave the unit
>> > in num mode and switch between the keyboards, but I am
>> > honestly not sure how to do this with the unit inside the
>> > docking station.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws
>> > [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of John Esak
>> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:50 AM
>> > To: 'Beth Koenig'
>> > Cc: icont
>> > Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
>> >
>> > Hi Beth (and Jamal),
>> > Thanks for replying... I do certainly use external keyboards
>> > with the Icon.
>> > Actually now that I have the docking station this is so easy.
>> > But still, you
>> > are misunderstanding my question.... maybe.   Maybe not.
>> >
>> > I am adept at using the console to implement the things I do.
>> > I store files run small programs, design some things for
>> > other systems all at just a script level. Until a compiler
>> > and more importatnly the libraries become available... in an
>> > SDK would be great...) but anyway until then, I just script
>> > what I need in the shell.  However, I've been doing this by
>> > ssh'ing into the unit.  When I use the docking station, I am
>> > severely limited because I don't know the "navigation" Jamal
>> > talked about, so I still login from other systems.  But now,
>> > I wish to use the unit directly.  I know that doing this with
>> > just the Icon itself is difficult to impossible.  I've done
>> > very limited things, but it is just too cumbersome.  So, with
>> > the docking station keyboard it would at least be possible to
>> > work conveniently except for the fact that I don't know how
>> > to get around with the speech as installed.  I mean that if I
>> > execute a command I hear the results, but I don't know how to
>> > go over them... analagous to what one would do with the JAWS
>> > cursor.  Without a display it of course doesn't make sense,
>> > but the results must be there somewhere.  For example, let's
>> > take the simplest idea.
>> > When ssh'd in if I do a simple listing of the directory I'm
>> > in with "ls -l", I will hear the listing of the permissions
>> > link count owner, group, date-time and name of the files in
>> > that directory.  Obviously, this is one heck of a lot of
>> > "stuff" to hear and absorb. On the screen when I'm ssh'd into
>> > the console, I can just JAWS cursor around and hear whatever
>> > I want to hear again.  How do you do this with the native
>> > speech engine.  Is this the navigation Jamal was talking
>> > about?  I hope so.  Is there a cheat sheet somewhere... even
>> > a full discussion of the speech engine itself... whatever.
>> > Anything to get me started.  I must admit, I haven't even
>> > looked any farther than this list yet.  I was hoping someone
>> > here could just tell me what they do or did to start off, and
>> > I can take it from there.
>> >
>> > Thanks...
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Beth Koenig [mailto:bethko at gmail.com]
>> > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:58 AM
>> > > To: john at valar.com; Icon technical discussions.
>> > > Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] I cheat with the Icon...
>> > >
>> > > This is interesting. I have always just used the brl plus
>> > to do stuff.
>> > > I think since you have an icon you are going to want a
>> > keyboard when
>> > > working in the console. I use the built in brl
>> keyboard on my unit.
>> > > To use the console you need to learn speakup but it's
>> > really easy to
>> > > get around and read thing with basic navigation.
>> > > What kinds of things are you wanting to do with the unit?
>> > > Beth Koenig
>> > > bethko at gmail.com
>> > > Director of Deaf Blind Services
>> > > Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center
>> > > 2960 Main Street A100
>> > > Irvine, CA 92614
>> > > http://www.deafadvocacy.org/dbs
>> > > Health, safety, and productivity are the cornerstones of
>> > independence.
>> > > At the Orange County Deaf Advocacy Center we provide the
>> > training and
>> > > services necessary for the deaf and disabled to achieve
>> > equality and
>> > > independence in all areas of life.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Esak
>> <john at valar.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >       Okay, I have to fess up. I've been using the Icon for
>> > the past
>> > > year with so
>> > >       much success and loving every second of it...
>> but I've been
>> > > doing it through
>> > >       the back door.  I simply leave it connected to my
>> > network either
>> > > at home or
>> > >       at work... (and I've even been thinking of buying a
>> > second one...
>> > > just to
>> > >       make that easier.. but then I'd have all that
>> sync problem to
>> > > worry about...
>> > >       maybe rsync... anyway not the issue at hand.)  I keep
>> > it on the
>> > > network and
>> > >       then just ssh into the console from any of my other
>> > machines using a
>> > >       terminal emulator... usually FacetWin or Anzio.  At
>> > that point
>> > > JAWS works
>> > >       just fine and I can get along fine.  But, now
>> I have need of
>> > > taking the unit
>> > >       into environments where there won't be a PC
>> or workstation
>> > > anywhere to ssh
>> > >       in from, and what is the point of requiring
>> another machine
>> > > anyway...  I
>> > >       need to learn a little more about the best ways to
>> > work with the
>> > > native
>> > >       speech technology in the unit.  Can some of you point
>> > me to the
>> > > best place
>> > >       to start learning about Speak Up or whatever
>> is best to use.
>> > >
>> > >       Thanks.
>> > >
>> > >       John
>> > >
>> > >
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