quick general questionRe: [Icon-tech] Hello

Thu Oct 29 08:16:18 MST 2009

I have a quick very general question if you don't mind and that is:
If you receive an email with an attachment and you wish to forward the 
attachment, how is it done. When I forward the email the attached file does 
not appear to the receipiant as an attached file.

Thanks in advance

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at aph.org>
To: "Nick Gawronski" <nick at nickgawronski.com>; "Icon technical discussions." 
<icon-tech at mulcahy.ws>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] Hello

>
> One problem with ftp is its not secure.  I would suggest if you want to 
> use something like ftp but easier to use I would go with scp which is 
> included at the command line.  for example you can do something like:
>
> scp myfile user at domain.com:mydir/filename
> scp myfile user at 10.20.15.80:mydir/filename
>
> I am not sure what you are using  the readline for but remember this is a 
> portable device and if the library is not necessary it's better not to 
> have it installed and let people install it later if they need it rather 
> than install every package on the device and not have any space to do 
> anything.  The ideal world would be having all packages and walking around 
> with a Linux desktop the size of a usb stick but we do what we must.
>
> Good to hear you got the packages you needed installed though.
>
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] 
> On Behalf Of Nick Gawronski
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:22 PM
> To: icon-tech at mulcahy.ws
> Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] Hello
>
> Hi, I have been able to install some packages from handhelds.org on my
> braille plus using file explorer like lib4readline and the command line 
> ftp
> client.  Not really an easy process as finding all of the libraries took a
> while but ftp now works fine on my braille plus at the console.  Not
> something I would say a beginner try but just to let people know I was 
> able
> to do this.  I really think you should include this application perfebably
> the ssl version and the libncurses library for other console applications
> that use this library as well as the wordlists packages.  Perhaps having
> ipkg have the ability to look at handhelds.org for updates  or to install
> packages for the user would be a useful feature but then again not all
> packages will work from there so that might not be the best idea. 
> Inclution
> of more command line tools would be better I guess like a fully functional
> ssh client and server as well as some more games such as the wonderful bsd
> games package from debian.  Are there any files or directories we should 
> not
> touch on our devices if we want them to still boot properly?  Perhaps the
> beep or bell could cause the unit to vibrate as currently the bell option
> does nothing in the ftp command line program and the program is rather out
> dated at least the one I have installed now.  Is it always needed to do a
> reboot if it is a console application?  Having the main interface portion
> rerun itself after every installation would be quicker and might not 
> require
> as long of a wait time and might not cause loss of the clock settings.
> Having an option to always turn on wireless or bluetooth and to
> automatically set the clock from the time server if the time zone is set
> would be a very nice feature.  If we know how to create chron jobs can we 
> do
> this for tasks we want run and if the unit is off will it turn on to 
> perform
> the task?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at aph.org>
> To: "Nick Gawronski" <nick at nickgawronski.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:33 AM
> Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] Hello
>
>
> The old packages do not work because we have switched from python 2.4 to 
> 2.6
> it just takes a recompiling of the packages or should to get them to work.
> There are many reasons for the change one simple one is python 2.6 
> supports
> more modules that are out there in the world.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Gawronski [mailto:nick at nickgawronski.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:50 PM
> To: Ken Perry
> Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] Hello
>
> Hi, With the new betas I have noticed that there is no documentation on 
> why
> the old add ons will not work or what has changed in the new version of
> linux or why the reason was for changing.  This information would be nice 
> so
> that either developers or users who just develope their own applications 
> for
> the device could know that things are changing before they upgrade.  A
> technical changes list would be a nice thing to include for those of us 
> who
> are interested.  Will there ever be such a document written?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at aph.org>
> To: "Nick Gawronski" <nick at nickgawronski.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:39 AM
> Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] Hello
>
>
> There are probably things that would make it so you cannot reflash but I
> couldn't say what it would be one way or another.  I can say you can get 
> it
> into a state where you will have to get help and that would probably mean
> sending it in for repairs.  The easy answer on Linux anything is possible
> and if you start doing things more than just developing applications with
> Python for the Braille plus or Icon you need to make sure you know what
> you're doing before you do it.  I just personally messed up my development
> unit  and got it in a state it took a couple of us to get out of.  With 
> that
> all said if your just developing applications you most likely will be able
> to reflash to get out of any problems.
> Ken
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Gawronski [mailto:nick at nickgawronski.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:00 AM
> To: Ken Perry
> Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] Hello
>
> Hi, Is there any method that would make even a reflash impossible on the
> icon or braille plus if I do any type of file changes to the flash disk 
> like
> recompiling the kernel or other operations?  I just don't want to make my
> unit unreflashible if I change something just to see how it would work I
> want a way to restore it back to factory settings if possible.  Is there a
> way to down grade to an earlier version or make a rescue image to rescue 
> the
> system if something should break?  I am not trying to break it on purpose
> just want to prepair if something goes wrong.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at aph.org>
> To: "Nick Gawronski" <nick at nickgawronski.com>; "Icon technical 
> discussions."
> <icon-tech at mulcahy.ws>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:37 AM
> Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] Hello
>
>
>
> You could get the arm gcc package I am sure someone has compiled it out
> there but I have never went to look.  It is not on the Braille plus or 
> Icon
> by default.
> As for the menus you could look in /usr/share/icon/startmenu and examine 
> the
> xml files to see how the menu system is laid out.  Note though if you 
> change
> things drastically you can cause problems that only a reset will fix.
> Ken
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] 
> On
> Behalf Of Nick Gawronski
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:36 PM
> To: john at valar.com; Icon technical discussions.
> Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] Hello
>
> Hi, How do you modify the menus on the icon or braille plus?  Also, is 
> there
> ways to do any type of C compilation on the braille plus?  I can't find 
> gcc
> but that does not mean that nothing can be done either on the device 
> itself
> or on the pc.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Esak" <john at valar.com>
> To: "'Icon technical discussions.'" <icon-tech at mulcahy.ws>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] Hello
>
>
>>I am a long time programmer. 35 years  plus now.  I reviewed Python for a
>> magazine back when it first started appearing... but I never worked in 
>> it.
>> When I got my Icon, I picked up the book Learning Python which is
>> available
>> on bookshare.org and it came very easily to me.  I do not think this 
>> would
>> be true if you are not a programmer with a good bit of background in at
>> least shell scripting, if not C.   BASIC is an excellent starting point
>> for
>> anything though.  I learned Dartmouth BASIC back in about 1973 I think...
>> and it was just great  compared to the lower level machine language stuff
>> that was the only other optins back then.  After a short while C made its
>> way out through the Unix heads at Bell labs and Berkely and elsewhere, 
>> and
>> that is almost a shame... because while it is an infinitely more powerful
>> language and the basis for just about everything we use today... it is 
>> not
>> nearly as good as BASIC was for teaching someone the tenets of
>> programming.
>> So, while Python is really a stupendous language and one I am starting to
>> like writing in more than anything else, it will be hard for you to make
>> some of the leaps it will ask of you.  However, if you start at the
>> beginning of this book, and have an environment where you can try each
>> thing
>> as it is brought up, there is no reason why you can't learn it.  I just
>> want
>> to warn you not to get discouraged.   Some of the concepts are  difficult
>> to
>> grasp.  For example, I program in C and used to do it all day long.
>> Still,
>> the object oriented parts of Pyton and C++ often illude me for days and
>> weeks.  I'm forever needing to go through aha moments when I finally
>> understand what it is that is being taught.  You can read it 15 times and
>> not get it, then, the 16th time some bell rings somewhere and you
>> understand
>> what is going on.  Even so, it is not a simple matter of just beginning 
>> to
>> write code now that you understand some part of it.  There is a learning
>> curve to all of it, and I don't think there is anyone who can bypass that
>> curve.  It simply takes time, and that's all there is to it.  I liken it
>> to
>> a musician perhaps who can play the guitar really well and has for 40
>> years.
>> He has talent and decides to take up the violin .  No matter how much
>> talent
>> he has and how much desire and how much understanding he has of the
>> concepts, he still needs to put in the actual long bit of time trying and
>> re-trying and learning the new instrument.  the worse part of this
>> situation
>> is that he does not have the same youthful desire to push on that he did
>> when he was 20... so it might take him another 40 years to also be able 
>> to
>> play the violin.   Ha,  <smile> and here I'm telling you not to get
>> discouraged.  Sorry.  Anyway, get the book "Learning Pyton" from
>> bookshare.
>> It is your best beginning and introduction I think.
>>
>> John Esak
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws
>>> [mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of David Poehlman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:06 AM
>>> To: Terrell Jones; Icon technical discussions.
>>> Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] Hello
>>>
>>> Hi t, long time no see.
>>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2009, at 4:54 AM, Terrell Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> My name is Terrell Jones. I'm interested in developing applications
>>> for the Braille +. I have
>>> dabbled in the BASIC Programming language. However, I have never
>>> worked with python, so
>>> programming is new to me. If anyone could point me to some good
>>> resources, that would be great.
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>> Terrell
>>>
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