[Icon-tech] Hello
david
dvdrln766 at gmail.com
Sat Sep 26 21:19:31 MDT 2009
hi is there any way to set so that i dont have to keep pressing the send and receve boton on the email
i want it so that i just get the emails as soon as they come in with out having to press any botons
if there is not will there ever be a way and if there is then how do we do it thank you On Sat, 26 Sep
2009 23:13:01 -0400, John Esak wrote:
>Nick,
>My guess (and hope) is that the Icon /BP *would* turn on to do a cron job.
>I may test that later on this weekend.
>
>And the only other thing I want to comment on other than some of your very
>good ideas in general is the one about arranging it so that the clock
>settings would not be lost through a reboot. Or, at best, immediately
>recaptured from a time server if things are configured properly. That is
>one of the things that bothers me most. I do find that I am not rebooting
>as often with the latest version, but it is often enough to hate having to
>reset the time, and a couple other settings that I wish would persist
>through a reboot.
>
>To that end, I wonder if some of the defaults which are Levelstar and APH's
>right to set could be overridden by user configurable files as well. For
>example, if I would like the unit to never time out and shut off, I could
>have that be my choice in this user.cfg and immediately after a reboot,the
>system would adapt to this file. Oops, sorry, I am using the word reboot, I
>mean reflash.
>
>However, there are some other event oriented times that I would like some
>more control as well. These times could also be effectively controlled by a
>user configurable file out on the hard drive somewhere. For example, when
>you plug the unit into the docking station, I would like to have it
>automatically reconnect to the Ethernet LAN. Just a little hassle to
>remember to hit Alt-Ctrl-N and reconnect it I know, but a tiny hassle all
>the same. If on the other hand, we could learn the command line needed to
>do this, we could script out our own control and have it execute along with
>any other of these sorts of things by running a particular script. I've
>spent some time looking for such things, but they generally aren't important
>enough for me to spend lots of time at this... And I usually want to get
>right to whatever it is I'm going to get right to. :-)
>
>On the whole, I just heartily applaude any suggestions that add more
>information to the console user.... And most of all... Please, please,
>please put the man pages on the unit for the next release possible. I have
>spent my life on Unix systems and the Linux counterparts are often not even
>close to what I can intuit.
>
>By the way your getting ftp onto the Icon/BP, good work. I actually tried
>doing that about a year and a half ago... But gaave up pretty early on. I
>would have kept it up, but someone along the way just told me to use scp the
>ssh tie-in for ftp and it worked fine. It was a devil of time getting the
>right syntax for the scp though. That took almost as long as trying to
>compile an ftp that would work over on the Icon. It does actually work
>though if you write the scp command out in every one of its 256 million
>permutations... One of them finally works. :-)
>
>Truly, I haven't had need of ftp since being able to turn on file sharing.
>It is now a matter of just moving stuff from window to window. But, like
>you I am a command line oriented person, so I would love it if either ftp
>was included, or scp was a little more demystified with a man page. The
>command line help you get is just enough to get you trying things, and more
>than enough to get you running from the room screaming. I just tried it
>again right now to give you a simple command line that works and you know I
>couldn't figure it out again. Sheesh... Did I ever mention I hate
>computers... :-)
>
>John Esak
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws
>>[mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of Nick Gawronski
>>Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:22 PM
>>To: icon-tech at mulcahy.ws
>>Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] Hello
>>
>>Hi, I have been able to install some packages from
>>handhelds.org on my
>>braille plus using file explorer like lib4readline and the
>>command line ftp
>>client. Not really an easy process as finding all of the
>>libraries took a
>>while but ftp now works fine on my braille plus at the console. Not
>>something I would say a beginner try but just to let people
>>know I was able
>>to do this. I really think you should include this
>>application perfebably
>>the ssl version and the libncurses library for other console
>>applications
>>that use this library as well as the wordlists packages.
>>Perhaps having
>>ipkg have the ability to look at handhelds.org for updates
>>or to install
>>packages for the user would be a useful feature but then
>>again not all
>>packages will work from there so that might not be the best
>>idea. Inclution
>>of more command line tools would be better I guess like a
>>fully functional
>>ssh client and server as well as some more games such as the
>>wonderful bsd
>>games package from debian. Are there any files or
>>directories we should not
>>touch on our devices if we want them to still boot properly?
>>Perhaps the
>>beep or bell could cause the unit to vibrate as currently the
>>bell option
>>does nothing in the ftp command line program and the program
>>is rather out
>>dated at least the one I have installed now. Is it always
>>needed to do a
>>reboot if it is a console application? Having the main
>>interface portion
>>rerun itself after every installation would be quicker and
>>might not require
>>as long of a wait time and might not cause loss of the clock
>>settings.
>>Having an option to always turn on wireless or bluetooth and to
>>automatically set the clock from the time server if the time
>>zone is set
>>would be a very nice feature. If we know how to create chron
>>jobs can we do
>>this for tasks we want run and if the unit is off will it
>>turn on to perform
>>the task?
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at aph.org>
>>To: "Nick Gawronski" <nick at nickgawronski.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:33 AM
>>Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] Hello
>>
>>
>>The old packages do not work because we have switched from
>>python 2.4 to 2.6
>>it just takes a recompiling of the packages or should to get
>>them to work.
>>There are many reasons for the change one simple one is
>>python 2.6 supports
>>more modules that are out there in the world.
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Nick Gawronski [mailto:nick at nickgawronski.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:50 PM
>>To: Ken Perry
>>Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] Hello
>>
>>Hi, With the new betas I have noticed that there is no
>>documentation on why
>>the old add ons will not work or what has changed in the new
>>version of
>>linux or why the reason was for changing. This information
>>would be nice so
>>that either developers or users who just develope their own
>>applications for
>>the device could know that things are changing before they upgrade. A
>>technical changes list would be a nice thing to include for
>>those of us who
>>are interested. Will there ever be such a document written?
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at aph.org>
>>To: "Nick Gawronski" <nick at nickgawronski.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:39 AM
>>Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] Hello
>>
>>
>>There are probably things that would make it so you cannot
>>reflash but I
>>couldn't say what it would be one way or another. I can say
>>you can get it
>>into a state where you will have to get help and that would
>>probably mean
>>sending it in for repairs. The easy answer on Linux anything
>>is possible
>>and if you start doing things more than just developing
>>applications with
>>Python for the Braille plus or Icon you need to make sure you
>>know what
>>you're doing before you do it. I just personally messed up
>>my development
>>unit and got it in a state it took a couple of us to get out
>>of. With that
>>all said if your just developing applications you most likely
>>will be able
>>to reflash to get out of any problems.
>>Ken
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Nick Gawronski [mailto:nick at nickgawronski.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:00 AM
>>To: Ken Perry
>>Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] Hello
>>
>>Hi, Is there any method that would make even a reflash
>>impossible on the
>>icon or braille plus if I do any type of file changes to the
>>flash disk like
>>recompiling the kernel or other operations? I just don't
>>want to make my
>>unit unreflashible if I change something just to see how it
>>would work I
>>want a way to restore it back to factory settings if
>>possible. Is there a
>>way to down grade to an earlier version or make a rescue
>>image to rescue the
>>system if something should break? I am not trying to break
>>it on purpose
>>just want to prepair if something goes wrong.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at aph.org>
>>To: "Nick Gawronski" <nick at nickgawronski.com>; "Icon
>>technical discussions."
>><icon-tech at mulcahy.ws>
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:37 AM
>>Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] Hello
>>
>>
>>
>>You could get the arm gcc package I am sure someone has
>>compiled it out
>>there but I have never went to look. It is not on the
>>Braille plus or Icon
>>by default.
>>As for the menus you could look in /usr/share/icon/startmenu
>>and examine the
>>xml files to see how the menu system is laid out. Note
>>though if you change
>>things drastically you can cause problems that only a reset will fix.
>>Ken
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws
>>[mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On
>>Behalf Of Nick Gawronski
>>Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:36 PM
>>To: john at valar.com; Icon technical discussions.
>>Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] Hello
>>
>>Hi, How do you modify the menus on the icon or braille plus?
>>Also, is there
>>ways to do any type of C compilation on the braille plus? I
>>can't find gcc
>>but that does not mean that nothing can be done either on the
>>device itself
>>or on the pc.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "John Esak" <john at valar.com>
>>To: "'Icon technical discussions.'" <icon-tech at mulcahy.ws>
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:45 AM
>>Subject: RE: [Icon-tech] Hello
>>
>>
>>>I am a long time programmer. 35 years plus now. I reviewed
>>Python for a
>>>magazine back when it first started appearing... but I
>>never worked in it.
>>>When I got my Icon, I picked up the book Learning Python which is
>>>available
>>>on bookshare.org and it came very easily to me. I do not
>>think this would
>>>be true if you are not a programmer with a good bit of
>>background in at
>>>least shell scripting, if not C. BASIC is an excellent
>>starting point
>>>for
>>>anything though. I learned Dartmouth BASIC back in about
>>1973 I think...
>>>and it was just great compared to the lower level machine
>>language stuff
>>>that was the only other optins back then. After a short
>>while C made its
>>>way out through the Unix heads at Bell labs and Berkely and
>>elsewhere, and
>>>that is almost a shame... because while it is an infinitely
>>more powerful
>>>language and the basis for just about everything we use
>>today... it is not
>>>nearly as good as BASIC was for teaching someone the tenets of
>>>programming.
>>>So, while Python is really a stupendous language and one I
>>am starting to
>>>like writing in more than anything else, it will be hard
>>for you to make
>>>some of the leaps it will ask of you. However, if you start at the
>>>beginning of this book, and have an environment where you
>>can try each
>>>thing
>>>as it is brought up, there is no reason why you can't learn
>>it. I just
>>>want
>>>to warn you not to get discouraged. Some of the concepts
>>are difficult
>>>to
>>>grasp. For example, I program in C and used to do it all day long.
>>>Still,
>>>the object oriented parts of Pyton and C++ often illude me
>>for days and
>>>weeks. I'm forever needing to go through aha moments when I finally
>>>understand what it is that is being taught. You can read
>>it 15 times and
>>>not get it, then, the 16th time some bell rings somewhere and you
>>>understand
>>>what is going on. Even so, it is not a simple matter of
>>just beginning to
>>>write code now that you understand some part of it. There
>>is a learning
>>>curve to all of it, and I don't think there is anyone who
>>can bypass that
>>>curve. It simply takes time, and that's all there is to
>>it. I liken it
>>>to
>>>a musician perhaps who can play the guitar really well and
>>has for 40
>>>years.
>>>He has talent and decides to take up the violin . No
>>matter how much
>>>talent
>>>he has and how much desire and how much understanding he has of the
>>>concepts, he still needs to put in the actual long bit of
>>time trying and
>>>re-trying and learning the new instrument. the worse part of this
>>>situation
>>>is that he does not have the same youthful desire to push
>>on that he did
>>>when he was 20... so it might take him another 40 years to
>>also be able to
>>>play the violin. Ha, <smile> and here I'm telling you not to get
>>>discouraged. Sorry. Anyway, get the book "Learning Pyton" from
>>>bookshare.
>>>It is your best beginning and introduction I think.
>>>
>>>John Esak
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws
>>>>[mailto:icon-tech-bounces at mulcahy.ws] On Behalf Of David Poehlman
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:06 AM
>>>>To: Terrell Jones; Icon technical discussions.
>>>>Subject: Re: [Icon-tech] Hello
>>>>
>>>>Hi t, long time no see.
>>>>
>>>>On Aug 11, 2009, at 4:54 AM, Terrell Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>My name is Terrell Jones. I'm interested in developing applications
>>>>for the Braille +. I have
>>>>dabbled in the BASIC Programming language. However, I have never
>>>>worked with python, so
>>>>programming is new to me. If anyone could point me to some good
>>>>resources, that would be great.
>>>>Thanks for your help,
>>>>Terrell
>>>>
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